There is no shortage of democracy, at least in name, and yet it is in crisis everywhere we look. In Democracy May Not Exist, but We'll Miss It When It's Gone, Astra Taylor shows that real democracy—fully inclusive and completely egalitarian—has in fact never existed. Is democracy a means or an end, a process or a set of desired outcomes? If democracy means rule by the people, what does it mean to rule and who counts as the people? Join Astra Taylor in conversation with Shawn Gude for a discussion of these too often unnamed and unrecognized paradoxes.